Thursday, 25 August 2016

Beyond Heavensward part 2: More dungeons, less Dragons.

 There will be new dungeons in 4.0. Thats no great leap in prophetic deduction its going to happen. But two questions persist regardless: What should change and what Hard Modes will it bring? Mechanics wise i believe there is a simple change people are asking for and thats Extreme Mode dungeons. Folks don't want to organise a raid group for harder content and doing the same Primal or Trial for a quarter of a year gets old eventually. But a new tier of 4 man content? thats an idea with legs. Its a natural part of the FFXIV life cycle now that max level dungeons come out and eventually it will reach the point a year down the line that players have their gear scaled down to try and keep it a challenge and that is debatable if it works at all to begin with. However there is still a point where better gear means the difficulty becomes none existent and its just a repetitive act of dodging aoes and doing the stance dance just for the roulette rewards and thats a soulless exercise.
 So naturally the answer is Extreme Dungeons that increase the difficulty for a group past a certain gear threshold. Maybe keep the loot the same or change its colour but give more tomes at the end? it doesn't even have to be a story sequel/continuation rather than an option to keep endgame dungeons relevant when level scaling cannot be employed? We all reach the point regardless of skill level where we crave a greater challenge when we can faceroll our way through content to the point mechanics can be ignored or outright out dps'ed by the party. Thats not fun, just an expeditious way to farm tomestones. Thus my prediction for dungeons is an extreme mode roulette replacing the current max tier content dungeon when you reach a certain item level, perhaps include a stone sky sea test or some sort or a rework of the hall of the novice almost in the vein of World of Warcrafts Proving Grounds system that tests you for your role? This gives people more challenges without needing to make new dungeons or shoe horn another 24 man alliance raid in too soon between raid tears which might make the 8 mans stay relevant to casual pick up groups for longer?
My second prediction would be options/routes in dungeons. In HW they added more "heres a treasure if you want to risk another mob pull for it" with marketplace approved Minions up for grabs. Compound this with the added the concepts behind places like Deep Dungeon and Aquapolis with their 'choose your own path to endgame' i expect this ethos to show up in Dungeons as well. Because lets be honest one problem with games like FFXIV and the games it borrows from like World of Warcraft in particular is linear dungeons. So with so many dungeons already having "kill mob for key to unlock a door to progression" mechanics why not give the player a branching path? perhaps one leads to a mage boss and the other a magitek war machine? perhaps one has less mobs but more environmental hazards?
 Eventually the userbase would figure out an optimum route and then you could argue it then becomes as linear as it is now and would waste resources but then isn't that the entire design ethos behind Hard Mode dungeon layouts to begin with? I imagine its not as likely as Extreme Mode Dungeons but i think this may also be a way we see a dungeon shake up.
 My third and final expectation is an increase in dungeons not tied to the main story questline. We have seen already that 3.0 put beginners off by being so MSQ mandatory and when people crave variety this seems like a poor gating mechanics even if you love the story like i do. So i believe things like Neverreap were the beginnings of some dungeons completely unrelated to the main story. After all we are seasoned adventurers right? surely if there was a dungeon style event unconnected to our 4.0 quest we would still be called upon to help right? I imagine there will be more Haukke manor "out in the woods" dungeons in 4.0 that will be optional to find and will not lock you out of the roulette. Perhaps with their own side stories, perhaps they show up in the random selection but if you go there and get the quest you get some glamour gear for the trouble? It would really feel more like you are being rewarded for exploring and not just sticking to the rails of your themepark ride and with things like Deep Dungeon being a new example of "because its there" questing and adventuring thats proved very popular i can see this impacting the choice in some Dungeon placement and access in the leveling process for 4.0

But of course new dungeons are not the only given in FFXIV are they? There also comes new Hard Mode dungeons that see the Adventurers revisit an older dungeon where time and the story have progressed in your absence and either directly or indirectly your actions have lead to new tenants moving in and setting up shop for you to deal with. So as well as looking forward we must also look back at what places shall we revisit in 4.0? here are my predictions:

The Aery Hard Mode

Why: Why indeed. The Dragonsong War is over right? Nidhoggs gone and theres no story left untold here right?
 Not entirely. You ever pay attention to the final area of this Dungeon? Ever stop before heading up the final ramp and avert your gaze from the looming loot pinata and look down?
 Probably not but if you have you would notice that the bare depths of the Aery are in fact a layer cake of Allagan technology right out of Azys Lla and that is never brought up in the story, has nothing to do with the dungeon and remains an untapped vein of possible dungeon story. Because we have seen that kind of tech in two places. The Binding Coil that was contained in Dalamund and in Azys Lla where Tiamat is imprisoned and a currently unused floating installation named a "biohazard containment unit" filled with parts of dragons in tanks of fluid. Who is currently chasing such tech? The Garlean Empire. With Niddhogs brood dispersed and the Aery now abandoned it is the perfect place for Allagan tech hungry Legion treasure hunters to avoid the adventurers and Scions in Azys Lla and attempt to capture some tech that its fair to say the Dragons, The Ishgardian people and the Scions would not want to see them get a hold of. Of all the Heavensward Dungeons i believe this is the one most likely to be revisited in a future Hard Mode story.

 The Aetherochemical Research Facility Hard Mode

Why: This again is a dungeon that seems to have run its course with its story exhausted and no possible hooks left until you go back and look at what actually happens in the dungeon.
 Remember the second fight? the transforming boss in the Bioweapons Testing facility? most players assume it is just a dormant weapon not shipped out for use that you accidentally wander into. However take a look at its often ignored dialogue. When it transforms into a Cobra it states "Testing Anti Cobra capabilities" which doesnt makes sense for a Cobra to be doing that. It does however make sense if it is in fact your 'Anti Cobra Capabilities' being tested. The boss is not a Bio weapon, it is the machine that tests the products viability before approving the product created in the labs before it.
 So you defeat the boss and if you stop to notice its dying words instead of rushing for the elevator it says the following: Combat abilities - Outstanding. Approved for mass reproduction and again if this was talking about the boss it wouldn't make sense. It just lost the battle and clearly is not the 'Outstanding' product here. You are. You have just been approved for Mass reproduction in a facility which immediately after this area shows it has Allagan cloning facilities. You were so busy chasing after the Ascians and trying to stop Thordan you fail to notice this ancient facility has recognised your combat prowess and has began mass cloning of you and your party. You defeat the Ascians, King Thordan and the Knights of the Round and leave the facility. In the Dark. Unmanned. Chugging along and starting up those cloning machines ready to make a new martial force for a war long since ended and forgotten. The warriors of light are being mass reproduced here, unknown to the world and eventually they will make their presence known and who else can be called in to put them down or reason with them?
 Just a theory mind you. However that dialogue is there for a reason. I think Yoshi has plans for this facility and Azys Lla to be used again, its story is not over yet.

The Great Gubal Library

Why: So far each new wave of Hard Modes has seen a "Because why not?" dungeon chosen less for lore reasons and more because Yoshi's team want to have some fun with an idea. In terms of the Heavensward Dungeons i can think of no more obvious candidate than the Great Gubal Library dungeon.
 A colossal repository of knowledge and unexplored corridors and secret passages could house any number of demons, magical tomes and if they take some more FFV inspiration even some ancient technology far more advanced than the Empires Magitek waiting to be woken up by explorers taking a wrong turn down its labyrinthian corridors.
 Very few lore reasons for this one but i can't see the team giving up another chance to visit a place like this, perhaps to looks for more information to heal Yshtola or save Minfilia from the Lifestream?

Dzemael Darkhold Hard Made

Why: With the Heavenward dungeons covered you must also look back to the A Realm Reborn dungeons that did not get any love in 2.0 or 3.0 in terms of revisits and the first dungeon that springs to mind is the winding caves and demon infested pits of the House Dzemaels forsaken mining complex in Coerthas Central Highlands.
 We have cleared the Aurumn Vale of its monster infestation, helped the Ishgardians retake the Stone Vigil but in this instance we merely took out the strongest demons we cold find in what corridors we could explore. However this is a massive complex and as we pass through the largest open areas we can see multiple bridges and pathways we cannot currently access leading even deeper into the complex. We never solved the source of the problem in this Dungeon. We cleared the strongest monsters and the corrupted Crystals but what was corrupting them? did it leave? or is it waiting for us deeper in the dark?

Snowcloak Hard Mode

Why: One of the few places never truly explored upon in 2.0 onwards was the area of Coerthas inhabited by the Gigas Beastmen, the tribe that worships Shiva as their patron Primal. With Ysayle and her Heretics gone and no forces left to attempt to resummon Shiva to help fuel Zodiarks birth into the realm outside the void its a given the Ascians will once again return to driving the Gigas to summoning their Primal once again. With the Snowcloak remaining one of the few other pre 3.0 dungeons never revisited and its gorgeous theme and music only remaining relevant as part of the stage 2 anima relic step it makes sense that Snowcloak returns as a Hard Mode in 4.0 as the Ascians teach the Gigas to summon a very different Shiva than the Moggle Mog style interpretation/idea conjured up by 'Lady Iceheart' in the Heart of Ice content patch of ARR.

These are just my rough predictions for dungeons in 4.0 but the only way we know is when Yoshida and the team reveal them, perhaps at fan fest or maybe not till the expansions release. Till then all we can do is play the guessing game, but its fun to do while we wait eh?


 Well i've already spoken myself about the extreme rarity of current end stage Anima Relics in the wild and i am not alone. It finally looks like SE themselves have decided to put out a fix to this and given by the extreme nerfs to the gathering stage requiring Unidentified maguffins it looks like the numbers on their end for finished Relics must have been very low indeed. Heres the fixes coming in 3.38 straight from the Lodestone:

Unidentifiable Bone and Unidentifiable Shell can now also be purchased in exchange for Allagan tomestones of esoterics or Allagan tomestones of law.
Unidentifiable Ore and Unidentifiable Seeds can now also be purchased in exchange for Allagan tomestones of poetics.
The number of tomestones required to purchase the following items has been adjusted:

ItemBefore After
Unidentifiable Bone680 Allagan tomestones of poetics300 Allagan tomestones of poetics
Unidentifiable Shell680 Allagan tomestones of poetics300 Allagan tomestones of poetics
Unidentifiable Ore680 Allagan tomestones of law300 Allagan tomestones of law
680 Allagan tomestones of esoterics300 Allagan tomestones of esoterics
Unidentifiable Seeds680 Allagan tomestones of law300 Allagan tomestones of law
680 Allagan tomestones of esoterics300 Allagan tomestones of esoterics

The number of Allied Seals required to purchase Unidentifiable Bone and Unidentifiable Seeds has been reduced from 1,000 to 300.
The number of items required to exchange for the following items has been adjusted:

ItemItem RequiredBefore After
Unidentifiable BonePrecision Gordian Bolt103
Unidentifiable ShellPrecision Gordian Lens103
Unidentifiable OrePrecision Gordian Spring103
Unidentifiable SeedsPrecision Gordian Shaft103

The number of items required in exchange for Unidentifiable Bone, Unidentifiable Shell, Unidentifiable Ore, and Unidentifiable Seeds from beast tribe vendors has been adjusted as follows:

Beast TribeBefore After
Amalj'aaSteel Amalj'ok x13Steel Amalj'ok x3
KoboldTitan Cobaltpiece x13Titan Cobaltpiece x3
SahaginRainbowtide Psashp x13Rainbowtide Psashp x3
SylphSylphic Goldleaf x13Sylphic Goldleaf x3
Vanu VanuVanu Whitebone x18Vanu Whitebone x6
GnathBlack Copper Gil x18Black Copper Gil x6

The following items can now be purchased in exchange for Grand Company seals:

ItemTypeRequired SealsRank
Adamantite FrancescaMiscellany5,000Second Storm Lieutenant
Titanium Alloy MirrorMetal5,000Second Storm Lieutenant
Dispelling ArrowMiscellany5,000Second Storm Lieutenant
KingcakeMeal5,000Second Storm Lieutenant

Order of the Twin Adder
ItemTypeRequired SealsRank
Adamantite FrancescaMiscellany5,000Second Serpent Lieutenant
Titanium Alloy MirrorMetal5,000Second Serpent Lieutenant
Dispelling ArrowMiscellany5,000Second Serpent Lieutenant
KingcakeMeal5,000Second Serpent Lieutenant

Immortal Flames
ItemTypeRequired SealsRank
Adamantite FrancescaMiscellany5,000Second Flame Lieutenant
Titanium Alloy MirrorMetal5,000Second Flame Lieutenant
Dispelling ArrowMiscellany5,000Second Flame Lieutenant
KingcakeMeal5,000Second Flame Lieutenant

The number of items required in exchange for the following items has been adjusted:

ItemBefore After
Enchanted RubberUnidentifiable Bone x20
Adamantite Francesca HQ x4
Unidentifiable Bone x10
Adamantite Francesca 
Fast-drying CarboncoatUnidentifiable Shell x20
Titanium Alloy Mirror HQ x4
Unidentifiable Shell x10
Titanium Alloy Mirror
Divine WaterUnidentifiable Ore x20
Dispelling Arrow HQ x4
Unidentifiable Ore x10
Dispelling Arrow
Fast-acting Allagan CatalystUnidentifiable Seeds x20
Kingcake HQ x4
Unidentifiable Seeds x10

 So yeah. Dang. All of a sudden making us grind all those fates for Youkai Legendary Medals seems a lot more welcome when you realise 10 days of ARR dailies and 80k seals will get you a once major pain in the ass grind in just over a week of extremely casual play. So my advice is start on the ARR beast tribes now and check your normal quality Kingcake equivalents before they skyrocket in price on patch day. Though naturally they will become worthless a fortnight later with undercutting being the name of the game but if you want that step done easy on multiple relics it doesnt hurt to prepare.

Personally i'm like 2 unidentified's away from my DRK relic clearing this stage, i guess this just means my DRK and BRD Relics will be completed on the same day. It still leaves the umbrite stage and its massive eso grind to complete it but if you want a unique model and dont want to farm the also nerfed Alexander weapons now this is a ridiculously easy way to get dat purple weapon slot filled.
 To be honest it almost seems like too much of a nerf, but considering Yoshi has just been talking about 4.0 being "ahead of schedule" this really cements the "we are about to start the final third of Heavensward and begin the final act of the expansion" feeling thats been building lately. This is a catch up to ensure this expansion doesnt remain "The one nobody got a relic outside the JP servers in" and i imagine we will see a LOT of Deep Dungeon weapons getting a new glamour after this and at least a minor decrease in que times as more players get on the Umbrite train to boot.

All in all the weapons for this step are kind of outdated by now, but its getting players up to the current step in days rather than over a month of none stop work per job, which hopefully gives people something to do in a pretty quiet period for the expansion with 3.4 estimated to be dropping the last week of next month at its earliest. Folks are bored and a legendary weapon becoming easier to get might just be the thing to pad up numbers again in a time when they are in their typical summer time low.

Hopefully the experience taught the team a lesson in how giant tomestone farms are a huge put off for their western audiences, i got mine because i am a crazy person. The majority however simply did not bother and content not bothered with is content wasted in my opinion.

Maybe they can look back to the Trial of the Zodiac Braves and new systems like the Hunt or Deep Dungeon to revitalise the Relic system in its next and possibly final installment for Heavensward?